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Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:28 am

'89 LSC, 190K, ignition switch replaced 5 years ago at 130K for preventative maintenance. Old switch was original and in good condition. Car starts and runs properly, sometimes if key isn't turned far enough clockwise while running, no climate control, no brake pump and no air compressor function. If key is moved slightly more clockwise every thing is fine. I'm not sure if there was a batch of bad switches used in replacement. Anyone else experience this?

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby CDW6212R » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:34 pm

Hi Bob, there may be some adjustment range that you can line up the key cylinder and ignition switch better. I haven't dealt with these later Fords, but I do remember adjusting the ignition switch(rod came out of the switch up to the cylinder) in my older Fords, 72 and 73 Gran Torino and Rancheros. If they can move on the mounting bolts at all(I don't think they can) or the connection between the cylinder and the switch, you might fix it that way. Otherwise it will have to be one of the components to change.
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby K MANIAC » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:47 pm

Remove the steering wheel cover and look at your switch. If you see a gap between the metal and plastic, time to replace again. Don't guess, verify!
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:26 pm

Sorry to reply so late, but thanks guys! I realized what was happening when my brake pedal suddenly got hard and I couldn't stop. TG it wasn't the accumulator pump and TG no crash! I'm checking for separation on that blarsted 4 year old switch now.

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:35 pm

K MANIAC, you are correct sir. The plastic has separated from the metal! On a 4 year old switch!

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby K MANIAC » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:55 pm

robertbweltzien wrote:K MANIAC, you are correct sir. The plastic has separated from the metal! On a 4 year old switch!

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Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby CDW6212R » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:49 pm

Ouch, but thank goodness nothing is hurt. If the replacement ignition switches can still be an issue, it's time to upgrade the switch in some way. What are the chances that a 90-92 steering column would retrofit into the 84-89 dash? I've helped take a few of them apart, but swapping things wasn't on our list of things to think about. I've got a 2003 Marauder column which I'm going to make work in my 91 LSC. So I will have at least one spare column, maybe two when I do the swap.
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:18 am

The switch actually came apart in three pieces when I took the cover off. It was made by BWD and manufactured in Mexico. I put in an AutoZone Duralast replacement, made in Taiwan with a lifetime warranty. I've had problems with BWD parts in the past. Two starter solenoids that would not shut off!

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:48 am

I'd like to post pics but I can't figure out how to do it!

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby oldschool1 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:02 pm

Bob,
Email the pictures to
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:09 pm

oldschool1 wrote:Bob,
Email the pictures to
me@johndancy.com
and I'll post them for you.


Thank you, John.
Sent to your address.
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby CDW6212R » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:21 am

robertbweltzien wrote:The switch actually came apart in three pieces when I took the cover off. It was made by BWD and manufactured in Mexico. I put in an AutoZone Duralast replacement, made in Taiwan with a lifetime warranty. I've had problems with BWD parts in the past. Two starter solenoids that would not shut off!

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I hope the next switch you get lasts forever. I've had two bad starter solenoids also, one was on the vehicle when I got it, and the last one I bought from Autoshack in the 80's. That last one hung up within one week, and I fortunately had the wrenches needed to change it in the Home Depot parking lot where it happened. I've never bought another non-OEM solenoid since then, and that was my second I think. Those are among some parts too critical to not get the very best brands.
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby robertbweltzien » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:53 am

Agreed, Don. I will be putting a Ford Motorsport timing chain set and balancer in the old Merchant Marine. Sadly, they are probably not made here, like the Ford Racing water pump that was made in China!

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby oldschool1 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:48 pm

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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby Panamerica » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:46 pm

Wow... How did I miss this?
I'm going out to see if this can help with my current 1990 Blass difficulties...
Either way, I found a Motorcraft SW 2477 switch online and will probably buy it.
Can someone help confirm or disconfirm that this is the correct part and number?


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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby Panamerica » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:52 pm

robertbweltzien wrote:'89 LSC, 190K, ignition switch replaced 5 years ago at 130K for preventative maintenance. Old switch was original and in good condition. Car starts and runs properly, sometimes if key isn't turned far enough clockwise while running, no climate control, no brake pump and no air compressor function. If key is moved slightly more clockwise every thing is fine. I'm not sure if there was a batch of bad switches used in replacement. Anyone else experience this?

Bob


This is what I missed... I also replaced mine about 5 years ago (Standard Motor Parts 273)...
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Re: Ignition switch key on engine off gremlin

Postby oldschool1 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:57 pm

Pan,
Our 1990 - 1992 Ignition Switches are MUCH MORE robust than the 1984 - 1989 switches.
Due to design, the latter in this case can fail in as little as two years.

Your 90s IS should be good.
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