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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby Mk007 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:46 pm

The only thing the rockers do is increase the ratio from 1.6 to 1.72 on the lift. So it only increases lift and duration slightly. My best runs to date are 14.6 with a passenger. I should be getting some 4.10s soon and shoot for 13s! :lol:
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby Mk007 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:50 pm

Little update on my runs....ran a best of 14.49 @ 95 mph with my explorer intake on. :lol:
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:23 am

jester-13 wrote:ok first run i got a 17.3 @ 79 on a damp track
then my second run was a 17.0 @ 75 on a dry track but my dizzie gave up and i had to coast 3 car lengths at the end

the block connector under the dizzie had shook itself loose and killed the car on the run i was gutted felt like it was going to be a good run

my car is standard i am going back on the 10th of this month with a cold air induction system and 2 cats less

i have the standard size road tyres on the standard alloys has anybody any idea what pressure will work best for drag racing or is it down to what feals best on the day?

ta :D


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As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:28 am

jester-13 wrote:ok first run i got a 17.3 @ 79 on a damp track
then my second run was a 17.0 @ 75 on a dry track but my dizzie gave up and i had to coast 3 car lengths at the end

the block connector under the dizzie had shook itself loose and killed the car on the run i was gutted felt like it was going to be a good run

my car is standard i am going back on the 10th of this month with a cold air induction system and 2 cats less

i have the standard size road tyres on the standard alloys has anybody any idea what pressure will work best for drag racing or is it down to what feals best on the day?

ta :D


What rear end ratio does the car have? Stock LSC 3.27 w/HO in decent condition should get you upper 80's and high 16's.
As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:44 am

jester-13 wrote:What rear end ratio does the car have? Stock LSC 3.27 w/HO in decent condition should get you upper 80's and high 16's.


it will have the stock ratio what ratio do you sugest for strip and street use ? will this solve my one wheel peel :lol:[/quote]


you need to install a good trac loc, and I would go with 3:73 gears, the gears will be about $180, the trac loc will about $300 for a ford trac loc. Then the cost of the install won't be cheap either.....
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:59 pm

SSHS10 at Atlanta Dragway, Commerce, GA (a 425 mile one way trip): results were about the same as previous runs at Rockingham earlier in the year, 15.6xx and 87-88 mph. Nothing much done to the car from road trip. Tire inflation was not changed. For last 2 runs, I threw everything out of the car to get weight from 4195 to 4030. Timing was stock and 87 octane used. Reaction times were not impressive. Anyhow, I drove it home. No other Mark VII's were there. Attendance seemed pretty poor overall. :(
As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:17 pm

Congratulations on the runs Jerry!
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:35 am

oldschool1 wrote:Congratulations on the runs Jerry!


Thanks! Sometime you will have to tell me what you did to get yours below 15 secs :?
As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:49 am

Well Atco is historically know for giving "better" results than other tracks....

not only that but I'm sure if you advanced the timing a bit, and used premium fuel that would have helped.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:07 pm

2manymarks wrote:
oldschool1 wrote:Congratulations on the runs Jerry!


Thanks! Sometime you will have to tell me what you did to get yours below 15 secs :?

Tail wind.
Down hill.
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And yes, it's true; I ran out of fuel during my first run and still did something like 15.09 <BG>
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby bigmark303 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:18 pm

In all reality its just a big car period.

I had built one at the begining of the spring(2010). Around 310-320rwhp, and a fully built AOD. I didnt get around to doing the rear end or suspension, but it had brand new Pirelli P Zeros on it so it bit right down. Anyway It was not a track run, but a very accurate street run. The local SAAB racing team has a dead accurate 1/4 mile marked on our main road in the woods. I tested it there with a friend at the finish to give me the go and end with the stopwatch. Pretty dissapointed only ran an average of 13.8 sec over 7 runs. My best was a 13.6 and worse a 14.1. I had the 3.27:1 limited slip rear. Im guessing gears may have made a .1 or .2 difference, but its just a heavy car in the end. Nothing you can do about that besides taking the Lincoln out of the Mark VII.

I would have hung onto it and supercharged it by now, but family issues (money) came up and it was the only thing I really didnt need. I still wasnt expecting to much out of it even after the supercharger. Maybe another second with drag radials and the 3.73:1 gears I had ready for it.

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby phoenix » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:32 pm

+1 Kyle! ..........it's an American lazyboy. really no point in getting a Mark VII expecting it to be any different. it's plenty enough to keep up with the city traffic and pass on a highway with confidence. Art put it best to me i think, i was rambling on about cold air and MAF as part of my future plans and he just said "go with the handling, that's where it's at." i think he hit it dead on. and that's the direction i'm gonna take mine in, once the $$$ is there.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:41 pm

you can do a lot with superchargers...

Jerry,

Frank from FL, now texas, had that 90black SE and he was in the 11s with a supercharged with stock rear/aod/suspension.interior

I hope to get my car to the track this year, so I will be able to tell everyone what 312rwhp 364rwtq 2600stall shift kit built trans, 3:73gears alum driveshaft, coil spring and stock interior car will do.

well at least what it will do with my driving it... lol
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby bigmark303 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:38 pm

Once the supercharger is on there you can get a lot from it. Im sure if I held onto mine I would have seen 12s no problem with a stock setup as far as weight. I have a friend who has built a few nice 302s and with the centrifugal supercharger you can do a bit without even intercoolers and other cooling.

In the end its a great touring car, and when its loud and overdrive at 60mph is at 3,000rpm it just ruins the comfort.

Handling is the way to go. These cars can be tightened up so much.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby phoenix » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:46 pm

bigmark303 wrote:and when its loud and overdrive at 60mph is at 3,000rpm it just ruins the comfort.



:shock: :lol:
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Ghost: factory air springs, everything stock (except the front buckets out of '88 XR7), factory cassette/JBL (resto: Paul Protos)

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:11 pm

phoenix wrote:
bigmark303 wrote:and when its loud and overdrive at 60mph is at 3,000rpm it just ruins the comfort.



:shock: :lol:



hmmm...

it is whatever you want it to be, I've had many people in my car and they love it. I can't drive a stock Mark VII anymore, too slow.

my car handles, and moves, and is comfortable...

and with long tube headers and 3in exhaust.... it has a nice note, but with the magnaflows I wouldn't call it loud, the day I took it to get dyno'd the guy was surprised by it because he even said just at idle it was the tamest car there... that is till he got on it and put down three runs. and I beat out the other 7 cars that were there that day.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby bigmark303 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:56 pm

Im just a quiet guy. I just wish there were more room to put resonators for the exhaust. No restriction to the flow but it makes it nice and subtle. Ever since I had my Jaguar the Mark VIIs showed there lack of power. I also loved the power of the Jag, but how quiet it was because of the 3 resonators and two mufflers.

All I can say for a pretty much stock 5.0L is JET CHIP. It works and it really does a lot. My friend bought my 2nd LSC and put an entire exhaust, as well as upper and lower intake, cold air kit, and the Jet chip. He kept speed density. The car dynoed at 273hp to the crank. Thats a hell of a gain from those parts with stock heads and cam. We took the jet chip out and could feel how big a difference it made when installed. Id say from building 5.0s with him that that chip gained him over 20hp. We have done those mods to his Mustangs without the chip and they only dynoed between 230hp and 245hp. They were speed density also, not mass air.

The LSC had 111,000 miles, so it wasnt that young either and it still made awesome power with that chip.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:36 am

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Jet Chip.

I haven't been in THAT discussion for a LONG time :)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:56 am

I can't wait to get the diesel out there :twisted:
As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby eightlives » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:29 am

oldschool1 wrote:Image

Jet Chip.

I haven't been in THAT discussion for a LONG time :)


because no one uses them.... didn't you see no change with yours?
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby bigmark303 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:35 am

Oldschool1, Which Mark VII do you run the Jet chip in? Does it work for you?
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby artbaileyjr » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:38 am

2manymarks wrote:I can't wait to get the diesel out there :twisted:

I tried mine at "The Grass Range Montana, Race Track" (shown below, in the staging area)

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It went through the 1/4 mile traps in 31.26.021 @ 8.2 MPH.

I think there is something wrong with the spedo and odometer, though. The spedo showed error and the odometer logged 73 miles.
I also think I need wider tires on the rear. It was difficult keeping the car straight.... Couldn't seem to get hooked up. :shock: :?
You'd think that with a turbocharged engine, it would do a little better than that. :mrgreen:

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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby oldschool1 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:18 pm

bigmark303 wrote:Oldschool1, Which Mark VII do you run the Jet chip in?

I ran it in OldSchool2. (http://www.thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/video/20041126a.wmv)
bigmark303 wrote:Does it work for you?

For $200.00 and some change, it advanced my timing. We ran with it in and out and manually advanced and retarded and ... saw very little change. Hell if I could find which tool box I tossed it into, I'd give it to you.
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby 2manymarks » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:28 pm

artbaileyjr wrote:
2manymarks wrote:I can't wait to get the diesel out there :twisted:

I tried mine at "The Grass Range Montana, Race Track" (shown below, in the staging area)

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It went through the 1/4 mile traps in 31.26.021 @ 8.2 MPH.

I think there is something wrong with the spedo and odometer, though. The spedo showed error and the odometer logged 73 miles.
I also think I need wider tires on the rear. It was difficult keeping the car straight.... Couldn't seem to get hooked up. :shock: :?
You'd think that with a turbocharged engine, it would do a little better than that. :mrgreen:

Art


Yeah.....let's not blame the car when it's usually the driver :roll:
As of July2017, 11 Mark[*] VII's, 3 licensed for the road:
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) mostly stock 99k.
1989 LSC Midnight/Current Red c/c (9G) 124k, stock, needs air suspension & bodywork.
1989 Light Titanium c/c (11) Bill Blass - stock. miles unk
1989 LSC Medium Sandalwood (62) Mass air+ 111k FOR SALE $900.
1986 BB (8T) stock 125k (wife'sDD)
1987 BB (4L) stock (miles unk)
1987 Base Model White (9L) 107k (2.73rear)
1984 Turbo Diesel Base model, Platinum (1Q), 131k+ FOR SALE $1000.
Parts cars: 88 LSC, 89 BB, 90 LSC - TLZ 5spd (complete conversion w/extras 4SALE)
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Re: 1/4 times?

Postby bigmark303 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:42 pm

oldschool1 wrote:
bigmark303 wrote:Oldschool1, Which Mark VII do you run the Jet chip in?

I ran it in OldSchool2. (http://www.thelincolnmarkviiclub.org/video/20041126a.wmv)
bigmark303 wrote:Does it work for you?

For $200.00 and some change, it advanced my timing. We ran with it in and out and manually advanced and retarded and ... saw very little change. Hell if I could find which tool box I tossed it into, I'd give it to you.


Thank you for offering, but I couldnt take it for free. We paid $240 for the one in my old LSC.

Anyway we had BBK shorty headers, BBK makeshift H pipe, Magnaflow Mufflers, Edelbrock performer upper and lower intake (5,500rpm one), and a BBK cold air kit. We ran the Jet chip with that combo (speed density still) and 93 Octane fuel. Made 273hp to the crank. No way in my experience would that combo of bolt ons make more than 15-maybe 25hp extra.

He pulled the chip out and put it in his 88 Mustang and then had an engine fire that ruined it, so we dont have it anymore. We did pull the Mark VII engine and put it into the Mustang though with the bolt ons still there. Ill see if we can get it dynoed soon and see what it makes with those mods minus the chip and 93 octane. We messed with the timing tons of times and it just didnt feel like that chip.

To bad it didnt work for you, for whatever reason?
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